Texas Man Who Shot Illegals Will Not Stand Trial
Written by Selwyn Duke   
Tuesday, 08 July 2008 09:41

On Tuesday, July 1, a Texas grand jury refused to indict Joe Horn, the Texan who killed two illegal aliens who were fleeing a robbery.

Joe HornThe story began on November 14, 2007, when Joe Horn witnessed two men robbing a neighbor’s house. Like any good citizen, the 61-year-old grandfather called 911, but he also did something else — he fetched his shotgun. While the emergency operator implored Horn not to confront the burglars, the Pasadena, Tex., resident made a decision. Here is a partial transcript of the 911 call:

Horn: They’re getting away!
Dispatcher: That’s all right. Property’s not worth killing someone over, OK?
Dispatcher: Don’t go out the house. Don’t be shooting nobody. I know you’re p***** and you’re frustrated, but don’t do it.
Horn: They got a bag of loot.
Dispatcher: OK. How big is the bag . . . which way are they going
Horn: I’m going outside. I’ll find out.
Dispatcher: I don’t want you going outside, Mr. Horn.
Horn: Well, here it goes, buddy. You hear the shotgun clicking and I’m going.

What happened next isn’t entirely clear. We know the two burglars – Diego Ortiz and Hernando Riascos Torres, both unemployed illegal aliens (Torres had already been convicted on cocaine charges and deported, but I suppose his trade is more lucrative in the U.S.) from Columbia who were fleeing with about $2000-worth of loot – did not yield. In dispute, however, is whether Horn had reason to feel threatened and consequently use deadly force.

An action such as Horn’s seems an anachronism in our bystander-apathy, go-by-the-book world. It has created a maelstrom of controversy, with some hailing the Texan as a Charles Bronson vigilante hero and others hating him for taking the law into his own hands. Many agree with the dispatcher – you don’t shoot people over property.

Not many decent folks feel good after killing other human beings. It’s something one would do out of necessity, much like amputating a gangrenous limb; you know the condition will spread if not checked, but, still, you regret that something originally meant to be good must be lost.

Whenever I hear of a situation such as Horn’s, I usually side with the homeowner. My preference would be to hold the perpetrators for authorities or wound them (it’s hard to miss legs with a shotgun), but it’s easy being an armchair quarterback. Adrenaline is pumping in such a circumstance and, as Horn himself said, “You lose track of time,” — it’s real life, not a movie. It’s like shootings involving our troops in Iraq or police officers in that I’m going to give the benefit of the doubt to the “good guys” every time.

Some say the difference is that Horn isn’t a cop; he should have left such matters to the professionals. It’s that ever-more-common injunction to “not get involved.” But is this what America was built on? Is it what we’ve degenerated to? Whatever you think of Horn’s case, leaving things to the “professionals” – be it education, health, charity or thwarting evil – is a recipe for societal decline. The best of lands have proactive citizens, not passive ones. Horn didn’t create this situation by getting involved in justice; the two thugs did by getting involved in crime. If you lose your life during the commission of illegality, the fault lies with only one person: you.

The notion that the only thing at stake during the incident was property has been heard before, and it’s a good example of a failure to look beyond the moment. To use a variation on a Frederic Bastiat line: a fool considers only what can be seen; a wise man considers what can be seen and what must be foreseen.

In a case such as Horn’s, seen is that two criminals who attempted to steal property are dead. But what must be foreseen?

When robbers successfully steal, they seldom retire to lives of sweetness and light; they usually become bolder and persist in their wicked ways. They victimize more people and sometimes innocents are hurt and/or killed. We can’t be sure that Ortiz and Torres would have thus devolved; one can never know about individuals.  Certainly in general, when criminals are stopped – whether by steel handcuffs or lead bullets – innocent life and limb are saved. When they aren’t thwarted – whether due to fecklessness or fearfulness – lives that could have been saved are lost.

Our “cower first, slap on the wrist later” attitude, along with other permissive elements in our society, creates an atmosphere where the risk/reward factor starts to favor lawbreakers, sending the message that crime actually does pay. This causes crime to proliferate, as there’s an inverse relationship between the risk an activity entails and the number of people who will engage in it. Those without moral constraints militating against criminal impulses must fear the consequences of indulging them. As that group becomes less fearful of consequences, they become more indulgent of impulses. 
Whatever your position on the Horns of the world, it shouldn’t be based on the notion that “only property” is at stake. That’s akin to saying that a cancerous organ shouldn’t be removed because a body part is more important than cancer cells.

May the Lord have mercy on the souls of Ortiz and Torres. I’ll save my tears, however, for the innocents who die every day because we have mistaken permissiveness for compassion. 

Last Updated ( Tuesday, 08 July 2008 13:54 )
 
Comments (12)
1 Tuesday, 08 July 2008 12:33
Lee Gonzales
What Joe Horn did was more than protect the private property of his next door neighbor- He also sent a message that may serve to protect my property as well.
2 Wednesday, 09 July 2008 00:52
Lal Wynstrom
So this is the gallant man who showed true American spirit by defending his neighbor's, and subsequently, his community's property and territory. It is an honor to see that there are still AMERICANS in this land who will not bow down in fear and cowardice to the works of wrongdoing and evil, and who will not allow the cowardice of others to dictate to them that they must do so.

Way to go Joe Horn and way to go to the jury who refused to indict him!
3 Wednesday, 09 July 2008 07:58
Starsandstripes
The Mexican government will sue the U.S. in the World Court and Horn will be jailed.
Hypocrisy !
4 Wednesday, 09 July 2008 08:56
Oliv'
The sentence "May the Lord have mercy on the souls of Ortiz and Torres" makes me scream in frustration. How hypocrit is it ?? For 2000$ two people died. Thank "God" they were illegal human beings. So you pray for their soul and then go back to your life. And Mr Horn has its 2000$ back in his pocket.
Horrible.
And about what a "wise man" must forseen, in this kind of situation this is just criminal. Why not kill directly every criminals (big or small). If for 2000$ you can kill 2 people, what do you do for 1000$ ? you kill only one ? and for 500$ ? you cut an arm and a leg maybe ? and for the kid who steal something in a shop ? could become a dangerous killer ? who can "forseen" ? You should not take any risks... what are the limits ? your wisdom ? ahahaha...
They were coming from columbia, so maybe the solution should be to bomb them (the US seem to love it, bombing people), who knows, if you don't do it more thiefs could come. As you're so "brave" you should not take any risk. Bomb them !!!
5 Wednesday, 09 July 2008 10:11
Starsandstripes
Oops! I caught my own goof, It's Columbia. Anyway, their native country will sue, the World Court will order Horn jailed. George Bush will will enforce the ruling.
Joe Horn
6 Wednesday, 09 July 2008 10:21
Michael Sawyer
I live in Oklahoma. Not long ago, two illegals broke into a house right around the corner from me and the couple who owned the house happened to have the bad fortune of being home. The illegals murdered them both. Is anyone so naive that they think someone who has already been deported for criminal activity and come back to perpetrate more, would not kill someone who happened to be home when they broke in? Have any of the bleeding hearts that defend these criminals checked into the statistics as to how many illegals have violent criminal records in Mexico? Joe Horn should get the key to the city. Oh, and by the way, I would suggest that any illegals that might be tempted to break in around our little neighborhood here go elsewhere. We are all armed and not afraid to protect our property, our lives, and our neighbors.
7 Wednesday, 09 July 2008 11:46
Hiram Mannischewits
Thank you, Mr. Horn, for your brave interdiction in this invasion of sovereign U.S. soil by two enemy combatants.

I find it disturbing that so many Americans today, are willing to hand over all common sense in the name of "humanity." Thank God above that you had the courage to keep our nation safe.

To anyone else who feels NOTHING is more precious than a human life, feel free to turn the other cheek when two illegals are murdering your loved ones for their iPods and cell phones. Then, the true "hypocrisy" will reveal itself.
8 Wednesday, 09 July 2008 20:23
Captain Gabe
Much of Texas law was written when we were a nation. We had little government and people had to fend for themselves. Taking the law into your own hand was encouraged by our statutes. Example, one of the defenses to a deadly force encounter is that you thought it was the right thing to do at the time. Yep, even if you made a mistake the fact that you honestly thought it was the right thing to do is a defense. People were, and still are, responsible for themselves and expected to use their own judgment without waiting for police. It's one of the reasons I live in Texas. If you don't like it, feel free to live in New York. Better yet, kick us out of the union.
9 Wednesday, 09 July 2008 20:29
Captain Gabe
I should clarify that his defense wasn't that he thought it was the right thing to do. Texas law gives one the right to use deadly force to stop any felony after sundown. Specifically, on property, we can if there is no reasonable belief the the property can be recovered by another means. Bottom line, we don't have to let anyone, illegal or otherwise, get away with burglary. There's nothing to prosecute because there's no law that says you can't kill someone for felony burglary after dark. The law says quite the opposite.
10 Thursday, 31 July 2008 19:07
John B. Hanchey
He certainly has more sense and far more integrity than anything currently on offer.
Tisk tisk
11 Sunday, 03 August 2008 23:05
Jim J Futile
You are all very silly.
Kudos
12 Monday, 04 August 2008 00:50
Will Yeeeeea

Absolute kudos to Joe Horn for doing what's right. If someone is being robbed, assaulted or harassed in any way, they should be allowed to use equal/greater force in defense. Sure, if the guys had guns on them, there's be NO case, but how does Horn know they don't have guns? Why would he wait to find out? So you might say they were leaving, they stole $2000 of his hard-worked earnings and nobody knows what they would of done next, if even killed. Criminals deserve everything they get when it comes to death/torture. IMO, if someone is HANDS DOWN found 100% guilty in crimes like murder, torture, etc...they should have exactly the same done to them. Horn was defending his himself, his family, his home and society. Prison doesn't fix these people, only gives them more freedom and makes them worse. Anywhere where you get 3 meals a day, luxuries, games to play, places to work out, free dental and education and visitation rights isn't a place people AREN'T afraid to go to. Watch the movie "Felon" and then see if you have a different view on this case.

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