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Subject :HB2280, Arizona's Sanctuary City Bill..
2009-07-01 00:09:44
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| john_lyon56 |
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Formerly designated SB1175, HB2280 would make it a class 1 misdemeanor for people to be in Arizona if they are not in the country legally. It would also require all Arizona law enforcement agencies to cooperate in the enforcement of immigration law. This would put an end to "Sanctuary City" policies in Arizona's cities.
I have seen this referred to as the Criminal Trespass Bill, and as the Sanctuary City Bill. Whatever the name, it is 23 years overdue. The federal government has been unable or unwilling to live up to its commitments under the terms of the Simpson-Mazzoli Law that was passed in 1986. If we want to put a stop to the wave of illegal immigrants that has been rolling into our state for years, we are going to have to do it ourselves.
It was great to see this board get mobilized to stop the International Ports Bill. It was rightly seen as a step toward the North American Union. So were the bills pertaining to REAL ID and bills dealing with the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative. Does anyone doubt that by allowing our nation to be swamped with [primarily] Mexican immigrants, our leaders in Washington, D.C., are preparing the way for the NAU? This isn't just about enhancing corporate profits by keeping wages down--it is an assault on our Constitution and our American way of life.
It has been many years since the federal government has pursued immigration policies that had any correlation to America's general welfare. At least Arizonan's should insist that the weak laws that are in place pertaining to immigration be enforced.
Sheriff Joe Arpaio shouldn't be the only one taking serious action to enforce immigration law. All police forces in our state should help. Hopefully this would induce Arizona's illegal aliens to pack up their families and leave our state. Our budget would be much easier to balance then.
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Subject :Re:HB2280, Arizona's Sanctuary City Bill..
2009-07-01 03:50:41
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| mbenoit |
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Thanks for the information, John. I am going to look into that bill further and will post any additional coverage of it in this thread.
Keep up the good work!
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Subject :Re:HB2280, Arizona's Sanctuary City Bill..
2009-07-01 04:17:36
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| mbenoit |
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john_lyon56,
Thanks for keeping us up-to-date on HB2280. Unfortunately, this measure failed to pass the Arizona House by a vote of 26-15. The House voted on this sometime late last night.
For more information please read the portion below from azcentral.com:
With the hours ticking down on the legislative session, the House of Representatives dealt a big blow to border hawks. The chamber rejected a measure that would have criminalized the presence of illegal immigrants on Arizona soil through use of the state's trespassing statute. The brainchild of Sen. Russell Pearce, R-Mesa, House Bill 2280 also would have barred local governments from enacting sanctuary policies, so named because the communities turn a blind eye to illegal immigrants in their midst. Under the proposal, local governments would have been forbidden from adopting any policies that limit enforcement of immigration law. The measure awaits approval by the House. The measure would have made Arizona the first state in the nation to use its trespassing statute against those in the country illegally. The proposal failed to receive the requisite simple-majority vote in the House, going down on a 26-15 vote. Hours earlier, the measure had passed the Senate on a nearly party-line vote, with every Republican but one voting in support. Scottsdale Sen. Carolyn Allen was the lone Republican to side with Democrats in opposing the bill. |
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Subject :Re:Re:HB2280, Arizona's Sanctuary City Bill..
2009-07-01 14:28:03
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| john_lyon56 |
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Thank you for those kind words, Mary!
Yesterday, I spoke by phone directly to Representative Jerry Weiers. He was supportive of the Criminal Trespass Bill, and felt confident that there was enough support in the House to get it passed.
He didn't seem to have been following the bill very closely, though. A staff member had to call me back to explain how SB1175 became HB2280. She mistakenly told me that the bill had passed the House and had gone back to the Senate for approval.
From the azcentral article that you quoted, it seems that 19 representatives did not vote when the Criminal Trespass Bill went to the floor. It appears to me that the Governor and House leadership made little if any effort to gain passage.
Governor Brewer is going to call a special session of the legislature to deal with the unresolved budget crisis. The legislature will only be able to consider measures submitted by the governor.
I hope that Arizona Birchers will write and call her office to urge her to re-submit and strongly promote the Criminal Trespass Bill. Otherwise, it will be next January before the legislature will convene again in regular session. By then, Congress may have passed another mass amnesty, and we will be hopelessly stuck with a population of amnestied aliens that we absolutely cannot afford.
John Lyon
[mbenoit 2009-07-01 02:50:41]: ... Keep up the good work!
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Subject :Re:HB2280, Arizona's Sanctuary City Bill..
2009-07-06 12:50:29
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| Galvatron |
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North American union is all crazy talk .
what this is about is partisan politics. see the reason the Dems an the far left want open borders is simple they want ilegals to migraite in here an get registered to viot via acorn (or as they call themselves now Comunity organizers international).
anway they figure they can get ileagls registered an to futher collectivize or to inflame the hispanic population in order to Demonize and race bait the republicans, or conservitives. Most hispanics typicly vote demacratic because of this. the left play the race card. the ultimate goal here is to drastically change the voting patterns in this state let alone the entire country. In this fashion the far left progresives can race bait anybody who disagrees with ther radical agenda.
California is a great example and look where there at they arre broke handing out IOU's ya know the states own monopoly money
In order for the north American Union to take effect you'd have to have all 3 legislatures of Mexico the US an canadaa to agree on everything which is highly unlikely
@ mbenoit take what you reda form azcentral and the Arizona republic witha serious grain of salt they are one in the same entity ad are as credible as the New York times.
like the times they are a propaganda smear machine, and they favordems and lefties
It should be noted as well that the paper is owned by pulliam who at one point was member of the cabal that was known as the Phoenix 40. |
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Subject :Re:HB2280, Arizona's Sanctuary City Bill..
2009-12-19 06:21:06
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| Jake_Witmer |
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So, rather than invite individualist Hispanics into this country, we choose to invite attacks of racism that are not entirely without merit? Rather than to attack collectivism, we give the immense gift to our enemies of being able to marginalize us as "inconsistent defenders of individual freedom".
Individuals should be allowed to travel freely across borders, barring any obvious intent to do harm. Perhaps those who are Islamic should be subject to greater scrutiny/restrictions since
1) They have demonstrated that they actually believe in their fictions
2) Those fictions regularly are enacted against nonviolent and uninvolved participants
Barring any kind of direct physical threat to US Citizens, we should welcome immigrants with open arms and (practically) open borders.
The militarization of our police is a huge problem. Do we want more jackbooted thugs willing to use force, or fewer?
In my opinion, the desire to "close the borders" or "secure the borders" is the one area where the JBS fails.
Do the Democrats want to homogenize the world into one world government?
Yes, they do.
Are they communists who want to buy the votes of new immigrants for easing their burden of entry and buying them off with welfare payments? Yes, of course.
But it is the welfare payments that are wrong, not the immigrants. Attack the welfare and redistribution that the slovenly native-born voters have supported their whole lives. Don't attack the freedom to relocate. Don't give the government that authority.
Moreover: by trying to restrict immigration and failing, you accomplish some terrible things
1) You teach an army of new immigrants --many of whom primarily speak Spanish-- to NEVER vote for individualist candidates. You teach them that the individualist ideology is racist, or that most of the people who support it are racist.
2) You teach them to oppose us on the simple grounds that we opposed their freedom to relocate. --To not even consider the merits of individualism.
3) When you fail to keep them out (as you certainly will), you lose elections because the Democrats' and Republicans' strategy actually worked: they now have a lot more new voters who can swing any election.
4) As you are failing, you are tarring libertarians, individualists, and consistent anti-collectivists with three brushes, and decreasing understanding and adoption of our core ideas. The three tarry brushes of anti-immigration are
---a) that we are inconsistent hypocrites who support freedom for ourselves and tyranny for any other seperable groups
---b) that we are racist
---c) that we believe in crazy conspiracyt theories (and even if we're right about this, we look like such fools on the prior two that the worst implications of element (c) are assumed)
So that's a summary of why I favor relatively open borders, while still favoring an end to the UN and world collectivism.
Individualism is consistent with the freedom to travel.
For more on this subject:
http://www.thenewspaper.com
http://www.isil.org
BTW: In the Chicago area, hispanics are some of the most individualist people around. They are the first people to agree with Ayn Rand's hardcore variety of self-reliant individualism. But rather than get involved with JBS, they often avoid us because of many of our members' bogus opposition to immigration, and support of "ICE" or the "INS" (jackbooted thugs). Moreover, my many hispanic immigrant friends are vastly more self-reliant than the college "educated" stafford loan crowd. They are exactly the reason why "Atlas Shrugged" was translated into spanish.
Like Rand herself, who escaped Soviet Russia to pursue freedom in the USA, politics matters to them. Immensely.
Do we accept them as allies, while rejecting those among them who oppose us on deep principle? Or do we brand ourselves as intolerant racist (clueless) white men who want to keep brown people away from their moldy piece of cheese?
Sincerely,
Jake Witmer
907.250.5503
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