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 Subject :Indiana State Sovereignty Resolutions 2010.. 2009-07-13 03:37:27 
Lynette
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Indiana State Sovereignty Resolutions 2010
 
Indiana's Senate passed 10th Amendment Resolution SR 42 in 2009 with a vote of 44 to 4! 
The House Concurrent Resolution 50 died in committee.
 
Birchers in Indiana have confirmed that State Rep. Frizzell will introduce his sovereignty resolution in the House again in 2010. 
 
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 Subject :Re:Indiana State Sovereignty Resolutions 2010.. 2009-07-13 02:28:56 
jakemateer
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Great post, Lynette.  The links made it a snap to send off three letters.  A little computer glitch, I guess, when I went to send them the computer sort of accused me of trying to be you..  but there was another link to confirm that I was actually NOT you... so I guess that makes sense to somebody...
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 Subject :Re:Indiana State Sovereignty Resolutions 2010.. 2009-07-13 03:46:54 
Lynette
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Thank you for the heads up Jack.  I fixed it.

I love how the action page is truly easy action because it saves your information but I didn't realize it saved your personal when you linked of forwarded it too. 

I urge everyone want linking those pages to make sure the page is BLANK before you link it.  There is a sentence in red across the top of the box that says, "f you are not [your name], click on this Link".  When you click that link, it will blank the information.
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 Subject :Re:Indiana State Sovereignty Resolutions 2010.. 2009-07-29 04:25:44 
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this is something I posted in another thread in the State forum. it is not just about supporting your legislator in your state. it is very much ALSO about rallying other state legislatures to support your legislator in your state.



Subject :Repeal of the 17th amendment is the only thing that gives TEETH to any 10th amendment resolution
 
I'm really a novice at this, but one thing is clear the more I read about Jefferson and Madison's Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions of 1798....they understood that for this system of federalism to work, it was incumbent upon, it was even THE DUTY of each state to assist the other states to resist the encroaching and consolidating actions of the national government.

I agree with this from m1super90: "They have to pass local resolutions and thrown them into the air just to invoke the 10th amendment. " what I'm saying is that it is THE DUTY of those states who have passed 10th amendment resolutions (7 states have had both houses pass, of which 2 have had the governor sign (..say what you will about Palin, she understands at least this) to rally all the other states to understand and do likewise.

that is exactly what Jefferson and Madison did with Kentucky and Virginia, though the response was mainly negative.

what I would like to see is people like us contacting the state legislatures of Idaho, Alaska, N.Dakota, S.Dakota, Louisiana, Tennessee, and Oklahoma, and pointing out THEIR DUTY. I am crafting letters along these lines now. if you want to work with me along these lines please contact me.

again though, in the end the resolutions mean nothing with the 17th amendment still in place. but I think if there is a resounding 50 state implementation of 10th amendment resolutions in place, there would be a more receptive ear to the suggestion of a removal of the 17th to make their resolutions actually effective.

7 states have passed resolutions in both state houses, 7 have passed in one house, 21 have a resolution introduced, 3 have rejected and likely will reintroduce (Maine, where I reside, has introduced and tabled, and I am assured will re-introduce). that's 39 states out of 50. nothing from CA, UT, WY, NY, VT, HI, CT, MD, RI, DE, NJ. where do you reside?
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 Subject :Re:Indiana State Sovereignty Resolutions 2010.. 2009-07-30 17:37:45 
Lynette
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I don't know about giving "teeth" but we liked many reasons for pushing the sovereignty resolutions in our state.  We were educating the citizens AND politicians.  We identified some user friendly legislators and staffers.  We laid some great ground work and built our credibility.  We were able to get all of our Senators on record with a vote.  I'd bet all here agree there is a definite need for all states to reassert their rights.  By passing resolutions we draw attention to the issue AND we set precedence.  Our General Assembly considers resolutions to have weight and merit and used in dealing with issues in that House.

mgall777, you are right.  It's not enough to be about a single state.  Part of the power was that so many states piled on. 
The JBS has made it an action item and national effort.  So have others.  Are you aware of this?
 
Tenth Amendment Center
 
As for the follow up responsibility you mentioned for the states that have passed resolutions...  boy.  I think we need to keep growing the movement!  That will take some help.
 
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 Subject :Re:Re:Indiana State Sovereignty Resolutions 2010.. 2009-07-31 04:06:32 
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[Lynette 2009-07-30 16:37:45]:

"I don't know about giving "teeth" but we liked many reasons for pushing the sovereignty resolutions in our state." 

again, I am no expert on this, so if I'm wrong correct me. what I see as the age old problem is this....I recently listened to one of Oklahoma Rep.Key's interviews at tenthamendmentcenter.com (yes, I am aware of them), and he stated essentially that these resolutions are in essence legal cease and desist warnings, and that continuance of federal violation of the 10th amendment will be followed be lawsuits. the problem is ALL of these lawsuits if "successful", wind up in the lap of the Supreme Court.  that would be the FEDERAL Supreme Court. the problem remains the same, as it was with Jefferson and Madison, and the Kentucky and Virginia resolutions, as is also well spelled out in John Taylor's TYRANNY UNMASKED. if left for the federal anything to draw the line between state and national, well, you know the answer to that. They thought it illogical that when a compact of federalism existed between state governments and a general/national government, how was it then that the NATIONAL court made the decision? the compact was between state and national, and if the state did not have a negative, there was no compact, there was no system of federalism. without a state negative, not a Supreme Court negative, there are no "TEETH" to see to it that the encroachments (or "evils", as Jefferson put it) end. those "teeth" were to be found in the state legislature appointed Senators to the national level. a direct representative of the state legislature was considered such an integral part of the system of federalism, that without it there was no system, only a national consolidated government. nothing changes EVER without the teeth back in place, because then you are still relying on the FEDERAL Supreme Court to "protect" the states. that's a joke (and not funny at all), and people like Rep.Key should know its a joke. the only people I see as of now who understand this are the fine skousen folk over at NCCS.org.     

"I'd bet all here agree there is a definite need for all states to reassert their rights.  By passing resolutions we draw attention to the issue AND we set precedence.  Our General Assembly considers resolutions to have weight and merit and used in dealing with issues in that House.
mgall777, you are right.  It's not enough to be about a single state.  Part of the power was that so many states piled on. 
The JBS has made it an action item and national effort.  So have others.  Are you aware of this? As for the follow up responsibility you mentioned for the states that have passed resolutions...boy.  I think we need to keep growing the movement!  That will take some help."

the real answers seem way too large and impossible for people, and elicit responses like "Boy!" and "Gez!" and "Slow down!" and the likes in the conversations I have all the time. but nonetheless, there stands Goliath, and he's a huge bastard, and he ain't going to get smaller. you can't pick another opponent though, it is what it is. the answer is at the very end the REPEAL OF THE 17TH AMENDMENT. the answer is ALL THE STATES have to stand at the same time, as one side of a two sided compact between state and national governments. all the states will not stand together if each state is solely concerned about their state, and not much else. those state legislatures who understand the 10th amendment, MUST educate those state legislatures that do not. we hired them for one crucial task....to first and foremost be a negative between the state and the national powers. ITS THEIR JOB, NOT MINE, NOT YOURS, NOT THE JBS, NOT THE 10TH AMENDMENT CENTER'S. my job is to gain income for my family, vacuum the floors, cut tha lawn, change the diapers, cook the dinner, homeschool the children. now, I agree that a "national" effort by the JBS would be to encourage state legislatures to adopt a 10th amendment resolution, but that is only a first step. if the JBS is not insisting to these state legislatures that it is THEIR DUTY to awaken the other state legislatures, then it is but a partial effort. read the Kentucky and Virginia resolutions, that is what they are all about. states awakening other states, so that all states can stand together against the violating other half of the compact, the national. I don't see where they (we) are doing that particularly. if someone can point that out to me, I'd be grateful. but the more important point is I don't see where state legislatures are doing that. is the state legislature of Indiana writing to the Maine legislature about their 10th amendment resolution? it isn't their job? It is, as co-members of the state side of the federalist compact. "That will take some help" you say? where do you think that is suppose to come from? from them, your Indiana state legislature, that you hired first and foremost to be a negative against the Federal Goliath.

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 Subject :Re:Indiana State Sovereignty Resolutions 2010.. 2009-07-31 04:46:31 
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Good discussion.  My response is still the same.  We need more activists.  More education.

I am merely a grassroots volunteer.  I'm doing all I can.  I like manageable chunks so my head doesn't pop off!  Right now I can pass my state's sovereignty resolutions.  I can not repeal the 17th amendment.  I can not make my state legislature lobby another state.  I can suggest it.  You can urge them.  Actually you plead the case well.  Have you taken action on this?  Is the 10th Amendment Center promoting this?  Do you know of any other organization pushing the 9th and 10th amendments? Again, if we had more educated activists they could be lobbying their own state.

I will have my Rep. compare KY and Virginia's resolutions to his.  We're not in session.  The legislation will be introduced in January.
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 Subject :Re:Indiana State Sovereignty Resolutions 2010.. 2009-07-31 08:32:36 
Lynette
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I think it's much easier if we keep that conversation on that thread and keep this to State Sovereignty legislation.  They are two separate topics.
 
Something I want to point out in that discussion is JBS staffer Bliss Tew's post.
The gist of it is, does the 17th even need to be repealed?  It was never properly ratified to begin with.  Should it even have any force?  And if there's enough who desire it repealed, the safe way is via federal legislation just as other changes have been made in the past. 
 
Reasserting State sovereignty is not required to repeal the 17th Amendment.
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