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2009-10-22 14:05:01
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Subject :Copenhagen Treaty that President Obama has promised to sign on behalf of the United States in Decemb
http://www.globalclimatescam.com/documents/un-fccc-copenhagen-2009.pdf
The above link is supposedly to the Copenhagen Treaty that President Obama has promised to sign on behalf of the United States in December -- just weeks away! As you may know, many experts are concerned that this climate treaty will literally put the United States in financial servitude to third world countries as a way to redistribute global wealth.
I confess that I HAVE NOT read this treaty yet as I just found it this morning. In the interest of time, however, I wanted to get this to each of you right away so you can read it and decide for yourself. Please send it along to everyone you know who is concerned about the constitutional ramifications of this treaty and the sort of commitments it makes on behalf of future generations of American citizens. |
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Subject :Re:Copenhagen Treaty that President Obama has promised to sign on beha..
2009-10-23 03:29:30
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Subject :Re:Copenhagen Treaty that President Obama has promised to sign on behalf of the United States in Decemb
This is probably the most dangerous item of business which is coming at us at the speed of light. We need a well constructed letter to send to congress opposing the signing of any treaty into US law. I think ,even though President Obama signs this agreement, it has to be approved by the senate. I am confident there are not that many insane people in congress who would sign away our sovereignty but these days you really can't be sure of anything. We need to move on this. |
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Subject :Re:Copenhagen Treaty that President Obama has promised to sign on beha..
2009-10-23 05:35:04
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Subject :Re:Copenhagen Treaty that President Obama has promised to sign on behalf of the United States in Decemb
Great stuff Michelle.
I love that the JBS is always on it.
This new site allows then links and videos in their articles.
December 2008
But keep a close eye on the next conference in Copenhagen.
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2009-10-23 08:06:40
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Subject :Re:Copenhagen Treaty that President Obama has promised to sign on behalf of the United States in Decemb
I have been right on top of this one- it scares the crap out of me. I found an article from BBC last night that they are no longer planning on having all nations sign the treaty in December, but that they will still meet to discuss how each country will control emmisions. Still a danger, but without the treaty we're a little safer. Every little victory is a miracle!! Hopefully this is true.
See it here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ethicalman/2009/10/climate_conference_set_to_fail.html |
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2009-10-23 13:40:13
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Subject :Re:Copenhagen Treaty that President Obama has promised to sign on behalf of the United States in Decemb
Please read this answer from Tim Baldwin, our brother in Christ and Liberty, attorney and son of that great patriot, Pastor Chuck Baldwin. It is quite clear an abomination such as the Copenhagen Convention cannot bind us under the constitution. Please, all of us contact our Senators and make them understand both the seriousness of this and illegality of ratification.
Andrew,
Thank you for your email. As to your question, “do treatise become the ‘law of the land’”, the laws of Nature and Nature’s God requires that all government conform their actions to the true meaning and principles of the constitution. A President can no more usurp power through treatise than Congress can through laws. The answer is most certainly, No.
The constitution is clear on this subject. It says in Article 6, “This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land.” This clause expressly limits the “supreme law of the land” as being those laws and treatise made pursuant to the constitution and within the authority of the government. How can laws and treatise be the supreme law of the land when they are contrary to the constitution and the authority of it? We might as well not have a constitution without this limitation.
And, alternatively, if it is in fact true that treatise override the compact, which the people ratified and bound the federal government to, then the public needs to know it, the government needs to admit it, and the people of the states need to respond accordingly to best safeguard their freedoms for their state.
Tim
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2009-10-23 14:03:57
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Subject :Re:Copenhagen Treaty that President Obama has promised to sign on behalf of the United States in Dec
While it is true that no treaty can come into force until it has been ratified by 2/3 of the Senators who are assembled, we need to mindful of just what kind of a Senate we have. Senators are bought and paid for by the political insiders. This has been true ever since the adoption of the 17th Amendment in 1913.
It is also true that no treaty can supersede the Constitution or any of its amendments. But, given the track record of reality in this department, there should be great cause for concern.
Yes, there are constitutional safeguards in place. In light of the litany of flagrant violations that have taken place, the increasing frequency of these infringements, the depths of incursion, and the impunity with which the perpetrators act, I find no solace in these safeguards.
Nevertheless, we individually need to let each of our Senators know how we feel about the issue.
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2009-11-07 06:26:32
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Subject :Re:Copenhagen Treaty that President Obama has promised to sign on behalf of the United States in Decemb
i heard about this lat week at a town hal event with mayor scott smith ans senator mccain. a veteran prought it up he calims to have read it an it actull seedes us sovrenty too
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2009-11-07 09:36:39
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Subject :Re:Re:Copenhagen Treaty that President Obama has promised to sign on behalf of the United States in
The first and third posts to this thread have links to more information concerning this treaty. As current events stand, this treaty signing may not occur as scheduled due to various pressures, not all originating in the United States. While a delay is certainly good news, it isn't anywhere near the end of the story and we must stay vigilant.
Judging from your posts in other places in the forum, I gather you are not prone to believe there is any conspiracy (or conspiracies) occurring, though you do seem to have a grasp of the various issues and their consequences. I am NOT going to condemn your position, although I will admit to disagreement.
I WOULD like you to consider these words written by John F. McManus (JBS President):
"There are only three possible explanations for the seeming insanity. 1) Our leaders are ignorant of these undeniable facts; 2) Our leaders have the facts but are too dumb to change their course; or 3) Our leaders know what they are doing because the destructiveness they preside over fits into their agenda.
The third explanation alone makes sense. But accepting it entails arriving at the notion of conspiracy — the shunned concept defined as a secret plot among more than one for an evil purpose. Merely suggesting conspiracy invites ridicule, harassment, even isolation. But it is those who trash this explanation and who defend the indefensible should be ridiculed."
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"Those who discount conspiracy do so at their own peril."
[Galvatron 2009-11-07 06:26:32]:
i heard about this lat week at a town hal event with mayor scott smith ans senator mccain. a veteran prought it up he calims to have read it an it actull seedes us sovrenty too
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2009-11-17 06:42:06
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Subject :Re:Copenhagen Treaty that President Obama has promised to sign on behalf of the United States in Dec
Far from over, but at least we have been provided a bit of time...
From the guardian.co.uk web site on 11/15:
Copenhagen climate summit hopes fade as Obama backs postponement
Barack Obama acknowledged today that time has run out to secure a binding climate deal at Copenhagen and began moving towards a two-stage process that would delay a legal pact until next year at the earliest.
During a hastily convened breakfast meeting in Singapore, the US president supported a Danish plan to salvage something from the moribund negotiations by aiming for a broad political agreement and postponing contentious decisions on emissions targets, financing and technology transfer.
While this falls short of hopes that Copenhagen would lock in place a new action plan for the world, it recognises the lack of progress in recent preparatory talks and the hold-ups of climate legislation in the US Senate. "There was a realistic assessment … by the leaders that it was unrealistic to expect a full internationally legally binding agreement to be negotiated between now and when Copenhagen starts in 22 days," said Michael Froman, deputy national security adviser for economic affairs. |
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Subject :Re:Copenhagen Treaty that President Obama has promised to sign on beha..
2009-11-27 09:56:33
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Subject :Re:Copenhagen Treaty that President Obama has promised to sign on behalf of the United States in Dec
"Obama will personally commit the U.S. to a goal of substantially cutting greenhouse gases at next month's Copenhagen climate summit. He will insist America is ready to tackle global warming despite resistance in Congress over higher costs for businesses and homeowners."
In light of the recent leaked emails concerning the falsifying of data, and the just announced Congressional investigation into what is being called Climategate, it would be prudent for Congress to pass a binding resolution PROHIBITING Obama from signing ANYTHING until investigations have been completed.
That doesn't give much time to act as Copenhagen is coming up on December 9.
I have already sent emails to my Congressional delegation. Here is the text of that email:
In light of the recent revelations of fraudulent data relating to climate change and the just announced Congressional investigation into what is being called "Climategate", I do not consider it advisable for the President to sign any kind of an agreement agreeing to anything at the upcoming Copenhagen UN Climate Change Conference.
Please use your influence to help convince President Obama to refrain from signing any new climate change agreement at the upcoming Copenhagen UN Climate Change Conference December 7-18.
My suggestion would be that there be a binding joint Congressional resolution explicitly forbidding the President from making any agreement or commitment until all Congressional investigations have been completed. |
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