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Subject :JBS Questions..
2009-11-10 20:15:41
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Subject :Re:JBS Questions..
2009-11-11 04:27:26
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| Publius |
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This is a great question, and I hope others jump in here too.
One way in which JBS is different is its emphasis on educating the electorate to take action through Congress. For a very long time, a JBS slogan has been "Congress is the key." JBS believes, I think correctly, that because representatives in the House in particular, but Senators also, face reelection on a periodic basis, that these politicians are liable to be swayed in their home districts by an electorate that understands the Constitution and pushes the politicians that represent them to support Constitutional prinicples and oppose unconstitutional legislation.
Most other organizations are by contrast "issue" organizations. Heritage, Cato, etc., examine an issue and put out a background paper on that issue. Or they position spokesman in the media to speak on that issue. That's a fine strategy too, and one that JBS also uses. That said, for the other organizations this strategy is central; for JBS it plays second fiddle to work that occurs directly in congressional districts to try to build up a local electorate willing to work to put pressure on Congress.
There are other minor differences as well, but I think this is the main point of differentiation. |
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Subject :Re:JBS Questions..
2009-11-11 08:00:00
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| rprew |
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I can't speak with any authority on most of the groups mentioned, but I will speak of my experience with the Heritage Foundation.
At one time, I gave them financial support. After reading a lot of their material, while it certainly sounds very good on the surface, I started to become uncomfortable. Compared to Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Waxman, even Gingrich, the Heritage Foundation is nowhere as radical. They have even written some very good things about the original intent of the constitution. But, underlaying it all, I got the feeling that the end-game destination of the Heritage Foundation is not really all that different, they just were proposing a more "conservative" route. The Heritage Foundation seems to be very much the "Reagan conservative" types, thus not true conservatives at all.
Maybe I am wrong, but that is just the feeling I got, and which is why I stopped supporting them years ago.
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Subject :Re:JBS Questions..
2009-11-12 09:46:58
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| Detmurds |
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What I like about JBS is the fact they don't state that they are for Republicans, Democrats, or any party. JBS disects candidates for what they are, not the party they are in. JBS also tells some truths about what really is happening while those other organizations just talk red, white, and blue, from all I have seen.
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Subject :Re:JBS Questions..
2009-11-12 12:41:35
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| GaryRLewis |
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I know what you're talking about with all these different organizations. I'm not to keen on attaching myself with any particular one, I think the best thing to do is get variety. I think in the end it will be the actions we take as individuals which will determine the fate of our country. Subscribe to The New American, American Free Press, work with local Tea Party Groups and help educate/guide their efforts, keep up with your own self-education and remember what Ghandi said 'Be the change you want to see'. |
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Subject :Re:JBS Questions..
2009-11-29 09:52:50
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| Lynette |
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A HUGE plus I have experienced with the JBS is they have leadership. There's a home office with staff. They have training, experience and connections. They have State Coordinators that know their members! They know members are real and where they're located. They have an idea of the members' time, ability, interest and character. It helps with activism because you know you have support. You know who's accountable and dependable. It's an organized concerted action that keeps focus and makes for easy manageable chunks of activism.
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Subject :Re:JBS Questions..
2009-11-30 07:51:39
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| cadillac |
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You ask a very good question. I'm sure many others like yourself have wondered the same, but were hesitant to ask.
Let me answer this way: While there are many different organizations that want to "carry the torch," they all so their share in different ways.
Some are information resources, some offer good, basic research, some activate a youthful segment, others rally, wave flags and protest. All contribute to the Cause in their own way. Yet, it is enlightening to realize that many good, patriotic organizations have been started, staffed and supported by members and ex-members of the JBS! Ron Paul is a perfect example of a person fully grounded in the principles of the JBS. (You simply can't imagine how far-reaching the JBS has been in developing that critical understanding in people who have gone on to make their own contributions to the Cause in totally unexpected ways. I'm constantly astounded at how many people I meet who genuinely know what is going on in this country (conspiracy, etc,) and who turn out to have been enlightened by the JBS education/action program.) You can well appreciate that they are largely working in concert with each other and not at odds.
But no other group you mentioned has the overall mission of bringing vital education to the public AND delivering an action plan. While many groups boast of excellent Web sites, and bear inspiring mottoes, often they turn out to be just that: Web sites and mailing lists for single issues. The John Birch Society, on the other hand, puts boots on the ground in the form of a national field staff, unprecedented in the freedom movement. Our unique format reaches out to opinion molders, and has a specific agenda to work on, one that is keyed to positive results. Compare this to the Ludwig Von Mises Institute. I, in no way, degrade the LVMI, I simply point it out as an example of how different the organizations are in concept and appeal.
So, to answer your question—which organization is worthy of your time and donations—consider this: Each does its part toward the goal of restoring our republic. And if any single one were the only game in town you could support it unquestionably. But with the seemingly conflicting and confusing array of different approaches to secure our freedom and maintain our sovereignty, you must concentrate your efforts on the one proven vehicle for putting all the pieces of the puzzle together, and that is the John Birch Society. |
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Subject :Re:JBS Questions..
2009-12-02 13:35:21
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| Lee Gonzales |
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The late Patriot and Congressman Larry McDonald said the John Birch Society was like a pyramid structure-wise.
Across the base of the pyramid is the local membership, the volunteer leaders in local chapters all across America. The top of the pyramid, contains the management, ( CEO, President, office staff, director of field activities; all of the headquarters staff, secretaries, bookstore, magazine staff, audio-visual and graphics team, Speakers Bureau etc. ). Organizing and motivating the base of the thousands of grassroots volunteer members are the paid field staff called coordinators who work full time. The backbone of the JBS are the volunteer chapter leaders and section leaders who work directly not only with headquarters but also with the field staff- the coordinators -to reach out to local communities with our JBS message and our JBS solutions.
Most organizations are an upside down pyramid. The staff along the top (base) comprises the headquarters staff. At the bottom is the "grass roots" whose only activity consists of receiving mail from XYZ organization and to send money for whatever project is the hot issue of the month. Headquarters does all the work and there is almost no coordinated local activity. Most of the donations are used up on overhead costs before any donations are put to work on the project XYZ organization is concentrating on.
The Tea Parties are a recent phenomenon and they are still organizing. Here locally they are offering a training session for activists. I wish them luck in getting patriots activated. America needs all the help she can get!
JBS has the advantage of being at this type of action for over 50 years. JBS has had numerous seminars for businessmen over the years. These were mostly run with cooperation from the businessman's chapters. In Oklahoma the JBS leaders have been conducting training sessions for new chapter and section leaders in that state.
Compare JBS with any other XYZ organization in these areas
Paid field staff-coordinators -..... JBS-- Yes XYZ --NO
Advisory Council ...... JBS--Yes XYZ --- a few
Speakers Bureau ........ JBS Yes XYZ-- a few
Bi-weekly magazine (hard-copy & online version) ...JBS- Yes XYZ-- a few
Research Bureau ....JBS-- Yes XYZ-- ?
Public Affairs Dept ...JBS--Yes XYZ-- a few
Book publishing ....JBS--Yes XYZ--- a few
Audio visual dept. ...JBS--Yes XYZ-- ?
Internet site ...JBS--Yes XYZ--- yes
ad hoc internet meetup , face book. myspace ...JBS--Yes XYZ--- yes
" " " " " " updated and active ...JBS--Yes XYZ --- ?
Plans underway to educate young people on Americanist principles ....JBS Yes XYZ-- ?
The Freedom Project http://www.freedomproject.com/
EXPERIENCED AND PROVEN LEADERSHIP.....JBS--YES XYZ---?
covers all political issues including Conspiracy...JBS --YES XYZ--- No
Monthly Bulletin mailed to members either in hard copy or electronic file ...JBS---yes XYZ ---?
Regular Council meetings and dinners ...JBS---Yes XYZ----a few
A quarterly publication of Congressional votes on
Key Constitutional bills. All 535 (435 House;100 Senate) Members of Congress are
graded on the same bills and graded according to their final votes
http://jbs.org/action/downloads/freedom-campaign-downloads/48-freedomindex111-2 ...JBS---Yes XYZ ---?
Having the most fun at being patriots & saving America ........ JBS --YES! XYZ----___________
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Subject :Re:JBS Questions..
2009-12-03 12:18:58
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| cadillac |
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Great answer, Lee. It's apparent you took some time to come up with a detailed response.
You're getting better!!
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Subject :Re:JBS Questions..
2009-12-04 11:07:23
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Subject :Re:JBS Questions..
2009-12-04 08:31:09
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| Lee Gonzales |
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That post on UGG boots by yvangkwheng is really helpful to the cause of stylish footwear, but how does that relate to the question originally posed by mhb0325 ?
While it is certainly true what Nancy said about "boots made for walking" my thoughts on this is that when putting on your uggs you aren't in the middle of a stampeding herd of buffalo rugs. |
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Subject :Re:JBS Questions..
2009-12-04 10:24:21
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| rprew |
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yvangkwheng has already been blocked for spamming. Now if one of the administrators would edit the spam to remove the ugg references, we'd be all set and could return to the original subject. |
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