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 Subject :Is it conspiracy or stupidity?.. 2009-10-27 07:54:09 
realtorgal
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http://www.jbs.org/jbs-news-feed/5537-conspiracy-is-the-root-cause-of-americas-problems
The politicians' promise : "Allow us to build a monument to Public Education and America's youth will be the smartest in the world."

The results: The Department of Education monument constructed during the Carter years has produced an inferior product. The high priests of the National Education Association running the DOE have practically ruined quality education to all but a few of America's youth.

Was it stupidity or conspiracy?

Stupid people don't know that smart people will eventually topple their monument. If stupid people created the DOE then the DOE would be history by now. Conspirators on the other hand are intelligent but who hide their evil intentions behind gun control, earth warming and gradle to grave plans to a dumb-down,"public option" educated people.

The politicians promise: "Allow us to build a monument to Energy and we will become an exporter and not an importer of energy."

The results: A monument to energy was built during the Carter years when America was importing 30% of its oil from foreign countries.

The results: The DOE has shut its ears to the "drill here now" slogan.

Is the fact that we are more dependent upon foreign sources for our energy today than during the Carter years a result of conspiracy or stupidity?

The politicians' promise: "Allow us to build monuments to federal housing and we will give everyone a roof over their head at an afforable price."

The results: A federal housing bubble.

Stupidity or something else? Maybe conspiracy?

Do we have schemers in Obama's cabinet? That's not too difficult to believe is it?

The Obama people continue doing what every administration since DFR has done - give away billions in foreign aid to nations that don't like us. We're trillions in debt and they continue to give away money!

Yes, there is a conspiracy. http://www.jbs.org/jbs-news-feed/5537-conspiracy-is-the-root-cause-of-americas-problems

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 Subject :Re:Is it conspiracy or stupidity?.. 2009-10-27 07:57:23 
mbenoit
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We need more people to come to the understanding that the government is not here to provide for us! You need food? Clothing? Housing? Money? Transportation? Education? They have it all...and they are willing to give it all to you. But really, so few people every stop to think about the price and if it is truly something they are willing to pay!

Nope, it is not stupidity....that is on US!
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 Subject :Re:Is it conspiracy or stupidity?.. 2009-10-27 07:59:52 
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John F. Mcmanus just wrote an article addressing this very issue. Here is what he wrote:

Conspiracy is the Root Cause of America’s Problems

Consider the following points:

  • After decades of federal meddling in education, the quality of its product has deteriorated. But education funding continues.
  • In the 1970s, when federal officials discovered that our nation was importing 30 percent of the oil we use, they launched the Energy Department. After it has spent tens of billions annually impeding energy development, we now import 60 percent of our oil.
  • Federal involvement in housing brought on the housing bubble whose collapse ushered in the current recession. But expensive housing programs remain on the federal agenda.
  • The Obama administration announced that the deficit for the just-ended fiscal year would be $1.4 trillion — three times the largest amount of a year’s red ink in the nation’s history. But they will still give away billions through a foreign aid program.
  • The Constitution requires a formal declaration of war before our nation’s forces can be sent into battle. No declarations have been issued for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. But no one is supposed to refer to this portion of the Constitution each federal official has sworn solemnly to uphold.

There are only three possible explanations for the seeming insanity.  1) Our leaders are ignorant of these undeniable facts; 2) Our leaders have the facts but are too dumb to change their course; or 3) Our leaders know what they are doing because the destructiveness they preside over fits into their agenda.

The third explanation alone makes sense. But accepting it entails arriving at the notion of conspiracy — the shunned concept defined as a secret plot among more than one for an evil purpose. Merely suggesting conspiracy invites ridicule, harassment, even isolation. But it is those who trash this explanation and who defend the indefensible should be ridiculed.

A brilliant man once stated, “The first job of conspiracy is to convince the world that conspiracy does not exist.” Many who are not themselves conspirators but who benefit from protecting its existence eagerly do the convincing. They know such effort on their part earns them adulation, exalted position, even monetary gain. That’s how a conspiracy works its evil. 

The Wall Street Journal’s Thomas Frank has joined the conspiracy-debunking parade. In a recent article, he equates the conspiracy explanation with paranoia, a worn-out theory advanced decades ago by Richard Hofstadter. Frank targets the John Birch Society and Senator Joseph McCarthy by name, and in doing so is correct because both never shrank from using the reviled word to explain why America is in steep decline. He also indicts television’s Glenn Beck and columnist Michelle Malkin for stirring up their many fans.

Frank is obviously worried. So are other conspiracy debunkers. They undoubtedly understand that once a person accepts conspiracy as the source of the harm being done, he or she gets involved. In other words, self-preservation kicks in. Deciding that stupidity is at the root of the nation’s ills customarily does little more than generate hope that our leaders will soon “get it” and reverse course. 

While conspiracy debunkers seek to convince the world of its non-existence, they remind us of Shakespeare’s oft-cited line from Hamlet, “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.” Frequent protesting that conspiracy doesn’t exist continues to suggest that it does in fact explain what is occurring.  

Frank scoffs at the claim that we as a nation “are being marched secretly into communism or fascism.” He asks, “Why would someone bother?” But honest history that is replete with conspiratorial activity proves that many have indeed bothered to generate colossal harm.   

If there were no conspiracy currently steering what the U.S. government undertakes, wouldn’t sensible leaders abolish the completely unconstitutional departments of education, housing, energy, etc.? Wouldn’t there be a termination of the drive to duplicate for America’s medical industry the harm that has already been done in so many other government operations? Wouldn’t foreign aid be ended? And wouldn’t Thomas Frank be among many calling for a reversal of government’s disastrous policies instead of ridiculing the rising number who are demanding real change?

Those who discount conspiracy do so at their own peril. Exposing it is all that’s needed to defeat it and get the nation back on track.

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I personally take issue with the very last sentence. Other than that single sentence, I whole heartedly agree with Mr. McManus. That last sentence in no way detracts from everything previous. Our leaders are not stupid, but they are dangerous.

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 Subject :Re:Is it conspiracy or stupidity?.. 2009-10-27 08:01:19 
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"If there were no conspiracy currently steering what the U.S. government undertakes, wouldn’t sensible leaders abolish the completely unconstitutional departments of education, housing, energy, etc.? Wouldn’t there be a termination of the drive to duplicate for America’s medical industry the harm that has already been done in so many other government operations? Wouldn’t foreign aid be ended? And wouldn’t Thomas Frank be among many calling for a reversal of government’s disastrous policies instead of ridiculing the rising number who are demanding real change?

"Those who discount conspiracy do so at their own peril. Exposing it is all that’s needed to defeat it and get the nation back on track."   ===John F. McManus, president of The Johnn Birch Society
http://www.jbs.org/jbs-news-feed/5537-conspiracy-is-the-root-cause-of-americas-problems
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 Subject :Re:Is it conspiracy or stupidity?.. 2009-10-27 15:40:36 
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When speaking to his audiences about the Conspiracy, John F. McManus also says, "Ladies and Gentlemen, these people ARE NOT stupid--they know exactly what they are doing!"  (...Maybe not the words of Mr. McManus verbatim, but close enough.)

The Insiders are following carefully laid plans, step by step.  Actually one might say their plan is a brilliant plan.  But then Hitler was a brilliant man too, and we all know he was evil to the core.  In the end, his diabolical and hideous plan was crushed.

All that is needed for America to win is for its freedom-loving citizens to wake up!    Fortunately, we see that happening more and more each day.

All freedom lovers must speak up, get involved and expose this ruthless Conspiracy and its evil plan.  
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 Subject :Re:Is it conspiracy or stupidity?.. 2009-10-27 19:09:45 
Lee Gonzales
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When George H.W. Bush (senior) was president, John McManus wrote a book titled The Establishment's Man in which the president of the JBS laid out Bush seniors "establishment" ties. The little paperback book was chock full of facts on the Bonesman.

In the JBS bulletin for October 2009, Art Thompson reminds us that Bush senior issued an official "overt policy calling for the establishment of a New World Order." Mr.Thompson sites the government produced document called National Security Strategy of the United States. The plan was presented "as a way to provide security for our citizens." Despite the fact that the document was entitled "A New World Order" it did not cause much concern among Americans, unless, of course, you had read Mr.McManus's book.

What  Bush senior and his CFR advisors and cabinet officials meant by "security" was entirely different than what the average Joe thought of "security." Bush's form of security would translate into a barbed wire enclosure for you and me. Average Joe would not catch on to the double meaning of the word "security" unless approached by a good activist Bircher with Jack's book. Average Joe or Jane would still mistakenly think that Herbert Walker meant to protect him or her from the bad guys like Panama's president Noriega* or some drug cartelists in Venezuela and not realize that the trap was being set for average Joe and Jane.  

*{Bush senior actually had Noriega kidnapped which violated our own Constitution and international law}





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 Subject :Re:Is it conspiracy or stupidity?.. 2009-10-27 22:43:32 
Lee Gonzales
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The DVD "The Real Newt Gingrich is an excellent eye-opener and should be shown to your prospects. It shows how high profile "conservatives" ingratiate themselves to conservatives and patriots while promoting the agenda of the NWO.   http://www.shopjbs.org/index.php/videos/the-real-newt-gingrich.html
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 Subject :Re:Is it conspiracy or stupidity?.. 2009-11-13 00:29:17 
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Which president was DFR, what do those initials stand for? Did you mean FDR, was that a typo?




[realtorgal 2009-10-27 07:54:09]:

http://www.jbs.org/jbs-news-feed/5537-conspiracy-is-the-root-cause-of-americas-problems
The politicians' promise : "Allow us to build a monument to Public Education and America's youth will be the smartest in the world."

The results: The Department of Education monument constructed during the Carter years has produced an inferior product. The high priests of the National Education Association running the DOE have practically ruined quality education to all but a few of America's youth.

Was it stupidity or conspiracy?

Stupid people don't know that smart people will eventually topple their monument. If stupid people created the DOE then the DOE would be history by now. Conspirators on the other hand are intelligent but who hide their evil intentions behind gun control, earth warming and gradle to grave plans to a dumb-down,"public option" educated people.

The politicians promise: "Allow us to build a monument to Energy and we will become an exporter and not an importer of energy."

The results: A monument to energy was built during the Carter years when America was importing 30% of its oil from foreign countries.

The results: The DOE has shut its ears to the "drill here now" slogan.

Is the fact that we are more dependent upon foreign sources for our energy today than during the Carter years a result of conspiracy or stupidity?

The politicians' promise: "Allow us to build monuments to federal housing and we will give everyone a roof over their head at an afforable price."

The results: A federal housing bubble.

Stupidity or something else? Maybe conspiracy?

Do we have schemers in Obama's cabinet? That's not too difficult to believe is it?

The Obama people continue doing what every administration since DFR has done - give away billions in foreign aid to nations that don't like us. We're trillions in debt and they continue to give away money!

Yes, there is a conspiracy. http://www.jbs.org/jbs-news-feed/5537-conspiracy-is-the-root-cause-of-americas-problems

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